Lateral Thinking

[Deoran Drages]

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a lady buys a new pair of shoes, weres them to work and dies, what happened?

[devilslayer]

why wont you answer my question, was it a relative? that one was quite good.
and can you do a layout thing plz, it would be useful.

and was the murder in the same building as the woman when she died.

was the murderer male?

was the bullet in her room before she died? As in more than a few seconds as it travelled towards her brain?

did something in the room play a role in her death?

[NemesisQ]

my sniper question was legit, by knowing if its a sniper rifle i can tell it was most likely a deliberate long range shot, not a short range shot that could have been accidental.

was the murderer her brother?

her son?

(if no to other two then awnsers this, plz.) a relative?

can you use floor planner to give a layout of thye room plz?

was the murderer in the same apartment building as the woman?

did her room have a crack?

did the bullet kill her instantly?

Allow me to answer that for you.



1) What will happen if you know the answer was her brother or son? It may answer her background, her relationship with her family, or why she is killed, but it cannot answer How she was killed. Most of the time, when a murder happens, the police would find out how the victim was killed before they find out who it was that killed him/her. Try watching True Crime Stories, or 48 Hours Of Mystery, Dual suspect on TLC.



2) You don't need a layout. Why do you need a layout? The murderer was outside the apartment, the only thing that went in was the bullet, and most of my questions already describe where she is and where she got killed, So why do you NEED a layout!!! ( the one getting hit is devil)



3) A BULLET TO THE HEAD KILL THE TARGET 100% INSTANTLY!!!

( the ragdoll is devil)



4) We already discuss this, she was sniped afar, so it's impossible he would be inside the building itself, plus Callum answered that the bullet didn't penetrated anything before it hit her head!!! ( the one getting hit is devil)



5) Your asking stoopid questions. That was answered already.

[agentaaa]

Actually, regarding number 3, nemesis, that depends on where a bullet to the head hits, as it's actually survivable if it only hits the "Upper quadrant" of the brain, which controls only the higher thought processes. This of course depends on immediate medical attention, and even if one lives, depending on what it hit, certain thought processes or other functions become impossible. even if it doesn't, however, the only way to guarantee an instant kill is for the bullet to strike the Lower back quadrant of the head, where the basic functioning of the brain happens. The electrical impulses that allow for both conscious and unconscious control of any body function - from moving a hand to keeping the heart beating - are located in there, hence why it can be an instant kill.

[devilslayer]

a layout would help me to know from what exact angle the bullet came from.

knowing who the murder helps cause at the end we will probably need to know who the murderer is to win, and then explain it in detail.

I know the bullet killed her but I wanted to make sure it was instant this helps me to understand if she could have locked her door or done something before she died.

as for the question about the murderer being inside the building at the time helps me because according to column there was no possible way for the bullet to enter the room without going through something and it didn't go through anything soo that said something had to have happened inside the apartment.

my "stoopid" questions help me to understand whats going on, and although it may not seem like much it does help, and atleast im not trollin like agent, im actually trying.

that said i have a question.

did the bullet enter the room through a crevice in any part of the room?

[agentaaa]

no, it's a how, not a why. That's the point of lateral thinking, Devil.
also, what's wrong with my trolling? It's entertaining!

[NemesisQ]

Actually, regarding number 3, nemesis, that depends on where a bullet to the head hits, as it's actually survivable if it only hits the "Upper quadrant" of the brain, which controls only the higher thought processes. This of course depends on immediate medical attention, and even if one lives, depending on what it hit, certain thought processes or other functions become impossible. even if it doesn't, however, the only way to guarantee an instant kill is for the bullet to strike the Lower back quadrant of the head, where the basic functioning of the brain happens. The electrical impulses that allow for both conscious and unconscious control of any body function - from moving a hand to keeping the heart beating - are located in there, hence why it can be an instant kill.

The human skull and the brain is pack tightly, so when a bullet enters in high speed hit the skull to the brain it will create a schockwave. The shockwave has plenty of power, it will obliterate your brain completely... like the watermelon at the end of the video here.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/864604/

a layout would help me to know from what exact angle the bullet came from.

knowing who the murder helps cause at the end we will probably need to know who the murderer is to win, and then explain it in detail.

I know the bullet killed her but I wanted to make sure it was instant this helps me to understand if she could have locked her door or done something before she died.

as for the question about the murderer being inside the building at the time helps me because according to column there was no possible way for the bullet to enter the room without going through something and it didn't go through anything soo that said something had to have happened inside the apartment.

my "stoopid" questions help me to understand whats going on, and although it may not seem like much it does help, and atleast im not trollin like agent, im actually trying.

that said i have a question.

did the bullet enter the room through a crevice in any part of the room?

1) Well, let's hear column say about the layout, i dunno anymore

2) The question ask how she died, not who killed her, it's not a series of a mystery where we have to find out everything. Asking who killed her, while not being sure if it's part of the mystery, won't find out how she died. Why don't you ask column if we even need to find out who killed her at the end, that will make it alot more easier. Considering Column not answering part of your questions, i would say no.



4) I posted all the info about the facts on page 11, she locked her door. She was watching t.v before she died. A bullet killed her.



5) I asked column if the bullet penetrated anything before it hit her head, he said "no", unless you count air.

6) Many question's your asking, and the answer being given ( or not given at all ) is irrelevant to how she died.

[agentaaa]

Well, now we're disregarding the difference in bullets. while it's quite possible such will happen with a large-caliber round, there are quite a few people even in world war 1 who were able to survive a bullet to the skull.
Moreover, this is only true on a direct hit. A glancing shot, a bullet at the limit of it's range that beings to slow down... Point being, you're only allowing one possibility there.
Also, don't link to Ebaumsworld here, please. Ebaumsworlds steals interesting videos others put up, Without giving credit or notice. They're a morally bankrupt site I refuse to even click the links of.

[NemesisQ]

Well, now we're disregarding the difference in bullets. while it's quite possible such will happen with a large-caliber round, there are quite a few people even in world war 1 who were able to survive a bullet to the skull.
Moreover, this is only true on a direct hit. A glancing shot, a bullet at the limit of it's range that beings to slow down... Point being, you're only allowing one possibility there.
Also, don't link to Ebaumsworld here, please. Ebaumsworlds steals interesting videos others put up, Without giving credit or notice. They're a morally bankrupt site I refuse to even click the links of.

Stop being a nitty and click the link



I am disregarding the difference in bullets, but I'm not to the damage the brain suffers from direct shockwave. I do believe there are those that survive a bullet to the head, but the bullet that were talking about is still in her brain, which means instant death, were relating this to that instant kill.



Anyway, Column.



Is the answer to how she died simple, not complicated?

Did the murderer shot the gun himself? With his own hand?

Is her own apartment relevant to how she died?

[Nut_Column]

Okay, Devil seems to think that because Agent required a Full description, I do too. I don't. Agent's question had enough detail that that was possible. As for the layout, it is truly unnecessary. The angle of the shot wouldn't help you. And There aren't any significant Cracks or Gaps. The Caliber of the bullet was high enough to provide significant cranial Trauma and instant death. Also, the bullet did not go through the roof. That said, since you guys aren't asking the right question, I'll give you a hint. There's something else in the apartment that let the bullet in.

[NemesisQ]

Well of course, been trying to find out what let the bullet in the apartment the whole entire time. Even if you do say that, by answering my current questions, if you answer some of them yes, then it leads to that hint too.



Ventilation- no

Window-no

Roof-no

Door-no

Wall-no



To find the list of things that could go in the apartment. Something that already was in there before she moved in. ( im talking to you Devil )

[Nut_Column]

*seeing as there's no question, I ignore Nemesis' post in it's entirety.*

[agentaaa]

ok, ok, i got this
Here is how the crime went down.
The murderer in question stops, sets up his gun at a favorable location for his needs, and readies the gun. Aiming to hit the woman's head, he adjusts his own gun's sights accordingly. he brings up his hand and fires the bullet, a larger caliber, on a trajectory to hit the woman's head. making it to it's destination without any object large enough to have sufficient mass to outright stop the bullet, it hits the woman directly in the head, killing her.

[Nut_Column]

Yes, but not a complete answer.

[agentaaa]

Is there now a hole in the wall?

[Nut_Column]

No, it's not that easy.

[agentaaa]

was there a hole in the wall before then?

[Nut_Column]

*sigh* Read up about 6 posts before yours

[agentaaa]

was there any gravitic distortions near the apartment?

[Nut_Column]

No

[agentaaa]

wormholes?

[Nut_Column]

Remember when I said "Realistic Scenario"? Wormholes big enough to transport a bullet are not Realistic.

[agentaaa]

But they totally exist!
Ok, ok, fine.
Was the murderer eating a smokey?

[Nut_Column]

...

[agentaaa]

I'm sorry: A smokey is a type of hot dog.


Was the murderer eating a smokey?

[Angusm3]

does she have a cat?
I had a reason for this being relevant but I forgot

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