Federation Vs Empire debate

[SSJ Data]

This is a cool program i found
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Asteroids.html

by this calculator a full power phaser from the Enterprise D at optimal range could destroy an asteroid made of nickel iron with a diameter of 850 meter depending giving a Galaxy class star ship a firepower of 4.5 megatons

While one energy bolt from an ISD can destroy the same type of asteroid with a diameter of 591 meters that would take 1.5 megatons of energy

now just because an ISD's weapons are 2 1/3 that doesn’t mean the Empire is out of the fight I’ve calculated the total fire power of an ISD at somewhere around 42 megatons (28 TL's) where as a Galaxy class got about 36 megatons (8 phaser arrays)

heres the site with all my info http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWhi2.html

vote in poll to

and if you dispute me please offer evidence

[Darkwing]

argh, i hate math!!!! *reels over dizzy*

[ToaKaita47]

NEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SSJ Data]

SO i'm a nerd and proud of it

[ToaKaita47]

Didn't say it was necessarily a bad thing...I'm proud of it too.

Nerds unite! Nerd pride forever!!!

[SSJ Data]

so you agree with me then?

[mr33mean]

I propose this become nerd central

[SSJ Data]

yep
and you think the lasers are too STRONG that's a first i mean normally people are like
"Oh a ISD turbolaser is like 600 gigatons of energy"
but you think my estamante of 1.5 megatons is too LARGE?

[Darkwing]

i agree with you because it hurts my head if i don't

[SSJ Data]

I know that Darkwing i was actually asking Mr33

[Darkwing]

oh, sorry, i'll go back to being dizzy

[Terminus]

Well how I see it is star wars lasers are actually plasma based. So the would be similar to the plasma cannons of the enterprise area. although since they have relied on that tech for thousands of years it would be more powerful. I've always figured a single turbolaser at about equal to a shuttles phaser. But since it pulse fires, and they have upwards of 60 or so on a SD, I've always figured and SD as having more firepower when talking about energy weapons.

[SSJ Data]

actual an ISD has the same power out put of a intrepid sized federation ship (Very tired very bad spelling)

[Terminus]

Yeah, but the Empire has more ISDs then the feds have...ships. Although I say the feds have much better shields.

[SSJ Data]

There hull strength is about the same except the feds is about 3x stronger pound for pound meaning that an ISD has 3x thicker hull.

also the range is where the feds have a huge advanetage

IE 200,000 meters to 5500 meters maximum
90,000 meters to 1000 meters optimum
1000 meters to ~ 100 meters normal

[Terminus]

Plus the feds have the advantage in warheads. There torpedoes use an anti-matter reaction. Most SW ships are not warhead equipped, and the ones that are usually use missiles. And their torpedoes are proton based.

[SSJ Data]

so are ST when you comined matter and anti-mater it produces high energy protons.
plus SW are about the same strength only less acurate.
In addition ST STL travel is about ten times faster
discounting the force and lightsabers ST has a HUGE advantage even including the Death Star

[Terminus]

Yeah but SW FTL is considered faster by many sources. After all SW ship can travel all the way across the galaxy under a year. But in ST it could take lifetimes. But then you got through in the numbers. Like I said before, the empire has more ISDs then the feds have of ships altogether.

[SSJ Data]

Wrong FTL travel is about even by this source here
http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWhi2.html
the speed of FTL is about even BUT the average cursing speed is much higher for SW and they can maintain it longer
IE while the enterprise may be able to travel at 20,000C (4000c faster than the Millennium Falcon) The Falcon can maintain 16,000C for a much longer time (MUCH LONGER)
And the size of the SW galaxy is much smaller than the Milky Way.
Also the total power of the Imperial Fleet is about 25,000 IF they where all ISD
In addition the population and planet count of the Empire is about 100X the amount of the Federation.
And a "Grand Armada" of ISD's in SW was about 20 ships (LOT'S of Armadas)

[SSJ Data]

Sorry about double post but i got some new stats on the ISD's and I’m changing it from a galaxy class to a Sovereign class (Because i have a cannon model)

First on the issues of the ISD i seriously underestimated the amount of TL i said 38 it's actually about 100 meaning if each laser where shot off 1 time it would total 150 megatons

On the Sovereign it has
16 - 20 phaser arrays at 3.5 megatons = 56 - 70 megaatons
175 quantum torpedoes [1] at 200 megatons a torpedo = 35 gigatons
325 photon torpedoes [1] at 150 megatons each = 48.75 gigatons
Total torpedo firepower = 83.75 gigatons or 1861.11111111111 grams of antimater

[1] http://techspecs.acalltoduty.com/sovereign.html#3.2%A0+TORPEDO+LAUNCHERS

[Terminus]

And we should probably add in the cloaking devices of both universes. In ST they cloak it with a hull tight cloak that makes the ship see through as well as invisible on sensors. In SW they create a cloaking field around the ship(Like a bubble.) that hides everything inside from view, and sensors. But it is not see through and will appear as a black smudge will stars should be making it mildly detectable. Plus it works the same for the ship inside, it will be like flying in pure darkness, and sensors will be useless. This goes for all SW cloaking devices except those used by the Imperial Phantom fleet, which was destroyed and the cloaking technology lost.

[SSJ Data]

no wear not counting the cloacking devices as in the Cannon of both we either A) don't get to see it. Or B) is restricted by a stupid treaty

[Terminus]

Then how about fleet doctrine? In the ST universe they seem to base there doctrine on capital ships, with little to no thought put into fighters. In the SW universe, they focus on a combined fleet doctrine, mainly focusing on use of fighters. In fact in SW battles are more about fighter tactics, and pilot skill. And in ST battles are more about fleet size and ship strength.

[SSJ Data]

That's because "UFP has range,maneuvering,fleet experience,no fear about point-blank, and would laugh at the fighters" quote from http://st-v-sw.net/STSWcompare.html

As i say in sublight speeds the Empire (and the Melleniam Falcon for that matter) are very very VERY slow compared to The Federation (Granted to us even star wars's 150 meters per second is very fast)

But SW has an ultimante defence Hyperspace makes them invinceible (Granted they cant attack in it either)

[Terminus]

But hyperdrives don't work when in a planets mass shadow. It is also possible to create an artificial mass shadow to stop entry into hyperspace. And when it come to fighters, pulse weaponry would be about useless against them, and phasers and disrupter beams, although able to knock out a fighter in one hit, would have fire constantly to knock out all the fighter. And that would take a long time.

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